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Re: British dream ^ ^
WAMPIREK > 21-10-2007, 18:01
Po prostu chodzi mi oto,że samo narzekanie nic nie da...niestety !
A wydaje mi sie,ze co do pracy dodatkowej to mozesz negocjowac...
No to rzeczywiscie beda miec niespodzianke -
Re: British dream ^ ^
Yoanna > 22-10-2007, 12:01
5 funtow za prasowanie i bsit? no to ludzie maja szcescie ze ciebie znalezli bo tak by musieli za to samo zaplacic duzo wiecej... -
Re: British dream ^ ^
Gość > 24-10-2007, 4:24
Hmm czyli dostalas 10L?? Hmmm.... troche malo.. nastepnym razem ustal odrazu stawke, albo powiedz ze nie bedziesz prasowala, naprawde nie mozna dawac sie w zyciu wykorzystywac. -
Re: British dream ^ ^
Grizzly > 24-10-2007, 21:20
30L dostalam, wiec nie narzekam, ale słuchajcie tu.
Wierzycie w dzień ?wistaka?
Poniedziałek, pobudka o 7 rano. Mogłabym spać dużo dłużej, ale znaj?c siebie i swoje chmurzysko wolałam wyjechać wcze?niej i mieć czas, tak w razie czego
Spóźniłam sie ja jeden autobus, ale później poszło już gładko. Wsiadłam do nast. do Reading, później do poci?gu na London Paddington, stamt?d do metra na Victorie, i pojechałam busem na Stansted.
Byłam z siebie dumna jak cholera ;]
Na lotnisku mialam troche czasu, poczytałam ksi?żkę.. postałam w kolejce.. i poleciałam do Polski ^ ^
Po 2,5h lotu pan kapitan powiedział, że z powodu wiatru nie możemy wyl?dować w Krakowie, a w Rzeszowie.
My?lałam, że takie rzeczy dziej? się tylko na filmach, ale nie. Wyl?dowałam na prawie zamkniętym lotnisku, bez ani polskiego grosza przy duszy, z rozładowan? komórk? i angielsk? ładowark?.
Z Rzeszowa mam do domu dużo bliżej, a w Krakowie na lotnisku czekała siostra ze szwagrem, i co teraz? Podstawionym przez ryanair busem dostałabym sie do Krakowa w 4h.. bez sensu.
Najlepsze było to, że to było tak przekomiczne.. : ))) Zadna panika, stres.. tak lajtowo
Ale miałam juz plan i ukochany bankomatWybrałam pieni?dze, poszlam do taxi, zostawilam tylko bagaże i.. poszłam po więcej pieniędzy. Zagadałam sie z jakimis polakami a tu komunikat..
Agata K**** proszona jest o podej?cie do srebrnego mitsubishi.
8O ?
Niecierpliwy ten taksówkarz..
Sk?d wiedział jak sie nazywam? Pewnie na torbie było podpisane..
Taka speszona wsiadłam.. pojechałam na pkp. Pierwsze miejsce jakie przyszlo mi do gowy. Zapłaciłam panu taksówkarzowi który mnie notabene oszukał.. znalazłam poczte (24/7) kupilam karte do budki.. pani pocztówka nie chciała wymienic mi funtów ( bo zbyt zniszczone :? ) Kwoka stara.. zderzenie z polska mentalnoscia, juz w pierwszy dzien, no nic..
Zadzwonilam do kolegi Pawła (ktory to teraz pewnie czyta ;p ) przespałabym sie u nich na stancji, i rano wróciła do domu robi?c wszystkim niessssspodzianke
Zadzwonilam do siostry, ze skory wychodzila na tym lotnisku- nie widziala co ze mna.. czy dam rade? Zorganizowala RESCUE! Jej chlopaka siostry maz przyjechal po mnie na lotnisko srebrnym mitsubishi.... :mrgreen:
Chyba nie musze nic wiecej wyjasniac...)
Mial mnie zabrac do siebie tam pod Rzeszow, i stamtad miala mnie odebrac mama. Tak tak.. siostra zadzwonila do mamy w srodku nocy mowiac ze Agatka ma trouble i trzeba ja odebrac z lotniska.
No niespodzianka zabójcza, nie?
Ale nic.. odmrozilam sobie tylek na stacji, przyjechal Pawel, przyjechala mama.. i pojechalam do domu
Najbardziej zakręcony dzień w moim życiu chyba.. a u?miałam sie chyba za te całe 4miesi?ce w Anglii
A co siostra przezyla to jej..
I tak mija juz drugi dzień w domu.. rodzina się nacieszyła, idę sie spotkać ze znajomymi
Mam jeszcze inne wie?ci.. w sumie troche bardziej w stylu 8O :? a może? Ale o tym później.. -
Re: British dream ^ ^
Ninka Jones > 25-10-2007, 1:45
mów mów!
ahhh jak ja lubie takie rzeczy -
Re: British dream ^ ^
Grizzly > 25-10-2007, 15:38
Ano więc.. na drugi dzień po przylocie dostałam maila od hostki.. nie ma sensu go skracać, przytocze w cało?ci:
Agata,
I hope you made it home ok yesterday.
I am writing to you in great disappointment right now. I have talked to you about this a few times and I'm sad to say from my view little if anything has changed.
If you recall, before I left I asked you if you could please put the recycling out, as you did, thank you, and do the normal clean before you left on Monday so that when I came home I would not have to worry about that as I need to start packing things and not deal with cleaning or straightening first.
I do not feel that is much to ask to be honest considering we were all gone for 4 days before you left leaving a fair amount of time to do that very easily.
When I came home today, the house looked pretty much like it did when I left as I recall. The living room was not hoovered, nor does it appear anywhere else was. The kids beds were not made, in the living room, the games that were on the sofa that John moved out were left there, not even put in a nice stack, just left!
If you did hoover clearly it was not done well, as there were paper cuttings that Lindsay did when before we left near the bin in the living room. There were still cups and things on the coffee table. There appeared to be no attempt at tidying it up. The dishes were done, but really, that was about it. There were paper towels that I bought and you never bothered to even try to put them away or find a place for. Sticky had not been sprayed once from what I can tell and the rotting cucumber in the fridge you didn't even think or bother to cut and put in his cage.
The utility room where the washer is, is still just as I left it. No attempt was made to make it even look nice or tidy.
I could go on, but won't. I hope you see my point. Now I realize I did not ask you specifically to do anything with Sticky, or to do the paper towels, or to do anything specific with the utility room, however we spoke about my needs about this. I need someone who can look around and think to themselves, "Ah, yes, this needs to be made look nice, or organized, or cleaned...." and then do it... I need someone to be forward thinking enough to do that themselves.
I asked you to put the recycling out, you did, we talked about my laundry and thank you, I see it on the bed. However, I did ask you about the normal weekly clean, which was VERY important to me, and you did NOT do it.
Nevermind the stuff that I would hope you would do just be seeing ie. sticky, the paper towels... etc.
By the way, if you recall, in the beginning, I told you I wanted someone to hoover preferrably twice a week as we have dogs and kids and it helps keep things nice. You 'clean' one day a week, and it happens to be the day Lindsay is home, which means I am sure you put her in front of the TV to watch movies, while you get on with your cleaning. Let me be clear, I did say I wanted their tv time limited, and you have control over that when they are with you. And rarely if ever do I recall have you ever hoovered twice in one week. I can't tell you the times I have had someone coming over and run around doing it myself! These are all just some of the things that I do not feel it is necessary for me to remind or point out to you. Maybe you do. In the write I up I gave you you are responsible for the kids' stuff, room, laundry and playroom. I've cleaned the playroom. TWICE. When you 'clean' do you sweep or mop that floor in the playroom? Do you pick things up off the floor and tidy it? Not that I have seen. Again, this is stuff that just does not help me at all, yet was all stuff that was mentioned in the beginning. And when I come home to a house that I did today after I specified what my needs were when I came home, I'm just beside myself.
I'm very disappointed. I realize we may not pay as much as some families Agata, but we try to help in other ways. We have tried to accommodate your working schedule and support what you need to do with School. We have taken you around various places on our own dime and tried to make you feel apart of. The reason is that we want someone here that is a part of our family. We want someone who is here to learn english, maybe work some outside the home, but that also is looking to develop a relationship with us as a family, someone that actually cares about what WE NEED!
What you have said is that you want that too, but let me tell you what you are showing me. You show me a girl who is only interested in doing what she wants to do, and is only interested in doing 'just enough' to get by in this household. You show me that you are not really interested or caring towards me or us as a family really. You rarely if ever go out of your way for us. You are only interested in yourself and what you can get or are 'owed'.
You are interested in money and english classes. And let me be clear, there may be families that want that, but we don't, we never said we did.
By the way, I realize you want to save money and I completely support that, but you do realize that Monday was Lindsay's birthday? The kids love you. Let me just be clear here.. I absolutely do not expect you to call, but if you look from my view at what i see when I walked through the door today, the fact that you didn't call her to say happy birthday says a lot to me like lack of any relationship. My sense is you just 'forgot'... or it wasn't important. Maybe I am wrong, but when I look at it all together again, this is my view. And I need someone that is interested in not only their own needs but in having a caring and workable relationship with us. And i just don't see you wanting that. And in the big picture, if you don't that's fine, but you need to be honest about it with me.
I've tried to arrange my life around your work schedule. I have arranged Lindsay's school around yours. John and I have searched for fares for you to go home and visit now and christmas, and arranged child care and dog care (like this time) to suit YOUR needs not ours. I've even agreed to spend 35.00 quid of gas, and 4 hours of my time to come pick you up on Saturday night when you come home. I have arranged to take 3 days without pay so you can spend an extra time in Poland over the holidays!! And I have to tell you I see no gratitude or willinesss or interest to reciprocate that.
I have 2 children Agata, and one on the way, and a husband that travels. With you and these issues that we have talked about before, I feel like I am babysitting you. I am reminding you to look ahead, look around, I call it mucking in or helping out in the household. You seem to see it as a job. I can't have that anymore.
You may feel I am being too harsh, however I ask you as an adult, to think about what I've said here. I ask you to seriously look at what I am saying and try and see what I see and be honest about it.
I cannot have you coming back if this is the way you expect it to be. I'm sorry, I am no longer willing to remind or what I consider babysit someone. I need serious helping out in this house. I need someone that cares enough to try and think about what might make my life easier! If you are not the person that wants to be apart of this family full on and really help out and take it on yourself, then that's fine, you need to be clear with me about it. Because to be honest as far as I am concerned I am so disappointed right now, and I consider this a two weeks notice. And if you are coming back on Saturday you will need to let me know what your full intentions are and respond to this email as I am no longer willing to go out of my way and will not come pick you up unless I hear from you.
I'm very sad about this. You are a lovely human being and great with the girls. But I just can't work with what I appear to be someone who is not really interested in us as a family and what we need and who only wants to do just barely enough to get by. I need to feel like you care and absolutely I don't.
I do hope to hear from you. I know you have email at home, so I'm hoping that you will consider what I have stated here, and let me know what your intentions are.
Odpisalam...:
> Hi
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> You've accused me for so many things in this e-mail, that I even dont know
what to start from, but let me start from the beginning.. You'd asked me
for vacuuming as Lindsay spread some poo near the front door when we were in
the park, i was trying to do it, but check on the vacuum cleaner- it doesn't
work. I was trying to find out what was wrong but it didn't help. I vacuumed
the area near the front door with the small vacuum cleaner on my knees.
> I've taken the rubish out as you asked me, tidied up things generally in
house, but generally, not like over 4hours cleaning that I do on mondays, and
if you didnt't notice it you had probably forgotten what the house looked
like before you left on thursday.
>
I came to England to learn English like every au pair, and of course I
wanted to earn money, and It was never my priority.
> After our last conversation, when you asked me about new duties (that are
extra things and we didn't deal them before my arrival to your family, but I
agreed on them easily as I thought you realy needed them) and told me that if
I had free time i could put the kids to bed just so, and asked me about
arranging my learning hours that are very important for me to fit into your needs
I noticed that something was wrong there. If I had quite a lot of duties
now, extra work, school, and you were asking me to spend the little of time that
I can spend on learning 'just because' I started wondering where was the
place for me in this family, was I important at all?? Shall I put my priorities
like learning under your needs (like being too tired to put the kids to bed)?
I didn't like it, Trish, and I felt like unimportant person to clean in this
house, not like a member of family. And this is not you who is babysitting
me, but me who is babysitting you, and John, and kids of course.
> I was talking with Veronika a lot, and she told me many things.. things
that I reckoned to be lies, and things that I realized now to be pure true. She
told me that she was tired of cleaning everything after you- I thought she
exaggerated, but now I understand her very well. I came to the UK to be an au
pair, person who takes care of children, and cleans after them, not after
whole family. I didn't mind cleaning the whole house, ironing yours and Johns
shirts, taking care of dogs, and doing all the other things that usually
should wife do, but cleaning everything after you, putting things away after you
was overwheelming. This made me think that you didn't need an au pair, just
full-time housekeeper.
> I know that Veronika let you get used to the fact that you had everything
in the house done, that you didnt have to bother to put the things away
because she did it, but I didn't want to do it, and I didn't to it. I didn't
want to be a housekeeper.
The whole e-mail that you've just sent me is based on accusations that I
wasn't acting like your cleaner, don't you think it is riddiculous? How can you
make me excuses that I didn't put the paper towels away?! I think you are an
adult person, and you can do some things by yourself, not to wait for your au
pair to do it, as this is far away from au pair's duties.
Some time ago you told me that you liked hoovering, so that I shouldn't feel
uncomfortably seeing you hoovering, do you remember? I have seen you once,
besides I did vacuum sometimes thursdays, not only mondays.
Veronika used to clean the house on mondays while Lindsay was with her, and
you didn't mind.
Since you work full time I have a lot more duties that I had before.
Sumarising I work 30hours (or more) per week, I spend 10 hours with Lindsay on
mondays, and if I had to do cleaning the other day it would be 35hours, we didn't
deal that.
You haven't even realized that, have you?
I didn't complain, as I know you are pregnant, and need more help.
We dealt that I will not be paid this week, so how could you expect from me
to do the whole monday cleaning for you? I thought you realized that, but as
I see you realize only the things that are comfortable for you.. HOW COULD
YOU even ask me for paying for the dogsitting while I was whole week OFF work?
I am au pair to take care for kids, not for the dogs! If kids are off, and I
am off and not paid, this is not my buisness to look after the dogs. And I
had to pay for the dogsitting.. no comments.
As we dealt in e-mails before my arrival you promised to pay for travel to
and from my school, you paid me once in the beginning of October for the
previous 2 weeks, and since then nothing.. And it was 3 full weeks of school.
How can you say that I am interested only in money??? I always put your
family on the first place, even during the weekend when I can work at the pub but
you ask me for babysitting I do it.
I know that Lindsay's birthday was on monday, I was planing to call her, but
I left the house very early and I didn't have time to do it in a rush, and I
wanted to buy her a gift in Poland and give it as soon as I meet her. Don't
you dare to say that I don't have any relationship with Lindsay and Sam!!! I
DO love them both, have you seen Sam. on Thursday? Have you seen her crying
when she didn't want go without me?! She loves me.. but I see that having
everything cleaned and put away after you is more important for you that her
happyness. You were keeping Veronika although she was bad with kids only because
it was convenient for you, and you can't have me, althought they are happy
with me, but I don't act like a cleaner for you?
I can't understand that.
This e-mail showd me everything that I have been worrying about, and
considering for some time.. I was feeling very bad with that.. but now it is all
clear.
After what I've read here, I can't imagine us all living together any
longer, how do you see it? Shall I come back, pick my things up, and leave? Or stay
with you that 2 weeks notice?
This all made me feel very sad, beause I do love Lindsay and Sam., and I do
care about them like for my real little sisters. I was always doing
everything that was in range of my duties, but you didn't.
Please try to look at from my point of view.
I hope we'll find a sollution..
Agata
Dostałam spowrotem..:
Agata,
From your response, it?s clear to me and to John that you obviously were not able to comprehend what we wrote to you regarding what our expectations were BEFORE you arrived. You clearly have chosen to either ignore or have misunderstood what I have on many occasions tried to make it clear to you what we need and expect. And if you actually read the information we posted on the website, and even what the expectations are for au pairs on the great au pair website, you will see that the duties of an au pair are primarily for the kids, but also to help around the house as the family dictate. We specified this beforehand. I also specified that we expect more time to be put into cleaning and keeping the house tidy when the kids are in school as you have them 2.5 hours a day (except Lindsay on Mondays). We don't care what you believe should be my duties, or John's, or the kid's, or yours - we specified your's and they are non-negotiable.
And I do not believe for a single minute that you have spent 30+ hours keeping the kids and the house clean. If you believe you have I would be very interested in seeing how you break that down, as I think it's absolute rubbish.
To be clear, Veronica did a great deal for us and we did expect a lot of that to be done and from the beginning it was clear to me that you had no intention of participating to that degree. You seem to have your own ideas about what you are willing to do, not what we have asked you well before you arrive in England.
To be honest, I am shocked by your response, however did expect it as I have been sensing you have been unhappy with the things we have been expecting. The biggest problem I have is that I have spoken to you about this before, and you have had ample opportunity to tell me your own expectations and thoughts and you have chosen not to. You simply nod and say yes.
Just for the record, you did get paid for this last weekend. To clarify what I have already told you, is that you get 2 weeks paid holiday time a year, your time during Xmas takes you over that and you will end up with partial of that not being paid, this is STANDARD for an au pair. You are NOT being cheated! Just for the record when we go on holiday with the kids, you still get paid. Just for the record, we have managed OUR schedule around your pub working schedule. Let me be clear, in ANY family, as an au pair your responsibility is to the FAMILY FIRST not your Pub job. If you are too tired to do the expected things in the home you are freely living in, then you stop working as much at the pub.
I RARELY if ever asked you to put the kids to bed at night when it wasn?t your night. I expected and made it clear that I wanted you to cook for the kids, you NEVER did. You heated things up, but you never actually cooked for them and you said you would. You said you would do certain things after I asked you too, and you didn?t. The fact is that you agreed before I left to clean the house up as normal and YOU DIDN?T! Not only that, I was meant to have people over tonight and you never bothered to even have the courtesy to let me know the vacuum didn?t work! You couldn?t send me an email? Leave me a note?? That?s inconsiderate! You agree your responsibility is to the kids (one point we can agree on), and did you straighten their room? NO. Did you do anything with their playroom? NO! Did you make sure their beds were at least clean and washed? NO!
We specified if it?s out and needs putting away, muck in and do it. You don?t most of the time. You have an expectation that you do what you do, and even though I am working full time, I should do just as much if not more as you do. Well, that?s not mucking in, that?s an attitude problem, and I?m not willing to deal with it. As I do not have the time or the energy to deal with it anymore.
To be clear, I asked you to look as an adult at what I said in my email. You didn?t and you are acting like a 5 year old who has been told off and I do not have time for that.
In fact, your attitude in the email is very much like a spoiled child and we suggest that you grow up and work through what you want from your life, and understand that from this moment, that life, does not include us.
Should you want to look at this responsibly and get over your spoiled attitude, then please mail me with expressing such.
If not, please make arrangements to visit our home at a time convenient to us to collect your belongings and immediately move out. Also, given you have expectations about what I should be doing or what my 'duties' are as a wife and a mother, let me be clear it is not my duty to come spend 35 quid in petrol and spend 4 solid hours of my time at midnight on Saturday to pick you, who is clearly very ungrateful, up at the airport, therefore, I will not be collecting you at the airport and suggest you let me know what your intentions are, as I do not expect you to arrive at 2 AM.
To be clear, we also expect that you collect your belongings and then leave immediately. I will not have the children or us any further inconvenienced by your attitude.
We will pay you for two weeks from today, but take away the pro-rated part of the college fees we have already paid. We will obviously pay you any arrears in travel to college.
We do not want you entering our house without either of us being there. Please take this as notice that should you enter without our presence and permission we will regard this as trespass and take appropriate action thereafter.
I do not like that it has come to this, however, you leave me no choice.
Regards
Trish and John
W skrócie zostałam wywalona, nie mjoge nawet wzi?ć moich rzeczy bez ich pozwolenia, musze j? tylko poprosić żeby mi podała swój nr karty kredytowej, albo żeby mi przebukowała bilet.. nie ma sensu wracac, zabieać rzeczy i spać niewiadomogdzie i wracać w pon. do Polski. Ale je?li sie nie zgodzi to będę musiała tak zrobić.
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Re: British dream ^ ^
Asienka > 25-10-2007, 18:58
Nie wiem co powiedziec...
Widac, ze Ci nie pojda na reke z odbiorem rzeczy. Ona potrzebuje jakiegos niewolnika, nie zwyczajna operke.
Ale jak ona smie oskarzac Cie o to wszystko, wypominac 35 funtow za benzyne i 4 godizny straconego czasu, gdyby Cie miala z lotniska odbierac (w pale sie nie miesci :/), straszyc policja prawie ze, jesli wejdziesz do ich domu pod ich nieobecnosc?? masakra :/
Myslalas juz o tym co zrobisz?
jestesmy z Toba! -
Re: British dream ^ ^
Grizzly > 25-10-2007, 20:37
Mi sie tez to wszystko w głowe nie mie?ci.. przed wyjazdem wszystko było OK, tzn ja już od jakiego? czasu czułam się tam źle, zastanawiałam sie nad wcze?niejszym powrotem.. ale nigdy tak i w takich okoliczno?ciach
Po 4 miesi?cach razem traktuj? mnie jak największego wroga, za maila w którym powiedziałam jej odrobine prawdy?..
Ale mi się to juz wszystko zaczyna układać..
jak przyjechala ta ich byla operka, trish sie jej zapytala czy nie chcialaby do nich wrocic, ona powiedziała, że tak.
Trish nie odprawiła by swojej au pair nie maj?c kogo? innego w zanadrzu, bo przecież co z dziećmi?
Mysle (tzn mama my?li), że ona to juz od dawna planowała.. nadażyl sie pretekst i juz..
W głowie mi się to nie mie?ci.. -
Re: British dream ^ ^
Grizzly > 25-10-2007, 20:53
Wlasnie mi napisala, ze nie przebukuje mi biletu (ja tego nie moge zrobic)
i jesli odesle komórke i klucze to wpłaca mi na konto zaległe pieni?dze, i moga jakos spakowac moje rzeczy i mi je przeslac.
Moze to i lepsze wyjscie niz wracanie tam..
A myslalam ze zostane tutaj dopoki nie znajde nowej rodziny, a jak znajde to polece po swoje rzeczy i od razu do tej nowej.. nie wiem.
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Re: British dream ^ ^
Ninka Jones > 25-10-2007, 21:18
Agu?, czytaj?c pierwszego maila od Trish przypomniałam sobie moj? najbardziej nieprzyjemn? rozmowę z Vivian... dokładnie te same argumenty. Ci ludzie s? rozpieszczeni, my?l? że będ? mieć au pairke robota, która będzie zapieprzać kiedy ich nie ma i wtedy kiedy wracaj? i s? zmęczeni.
OBŁĄD 8O
szkoda tylko że skończyło się to w ten sposób... :?